Posted by: Dark Defender | October 20, 2008

Biden warns of the dangers of an Obama presidency

Good ole Joe Biden, the man who if the MSM paid attention to him would be John Mccain’s most potent weapon, came out today to warn that well Obama will suck as President.

Biden said Obama is “gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.” There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, ‘Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don’t know about that decision. Because if you think the decision is sound when they’re made, which I believe you will when they’re made, they’re not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they’re popular, they’re probably not sound.”

Wow, ok so Biden is basically saying, once were in office were going to do things the American people don’t like and we are going to need you the elite to standby us.  So basically they are tricking the American people now so they can implement policy they like later.  Hmm what did I say yesterday about how voting for a candidate based on their promises makes you an idiot? I think this confirms that opinion, yet I think this is one promise you can bank on!

He also warns that Obama’s inexperience will invite hostile foreign leaders to test him.

“Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy,” Biden said. “I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

Kennedy was tested early on in office also.

Kennedy was tested early on in office also.

I think Biden is spot on here and its worth remembering how a previous inexperienced liberal Senator turned President fared when he was tested early on in office. 

This is an excellent article on the topic.  Some highlights

Kennedy first addressed the subject of a possible summit with the Soviet Union in the second Kennedy-Nixon debate. Unlike Obama, Kennedy expressly rejected a summit without preconditions. Indeed, Kennedy expressed his agreement with Nixon that he “would not meet Mr. Khrushchev unless there were some agreements at the secondary level–foreign ministers or ambassadors–which would indicate that the meeting would have some hope of success, or a useful exchange of ideas.” In the third debate, Kennedy suggested that the strengthening of American conventional and nuclear forces should precede any summit

with the Soviet Union.

Once in office, Kennedy more or less discarded his previously expressed conditions for a summit. In a letter written in February and secretly delivered to Khrushchev in March 1961, Kennedy expressed his willingness to meet Khrushchev “before too long” for an informal exchange of views. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, Kennedy sensed that discussions without an agenda or prior agreement might be disadvantageous to the United States. He let the matter drop, but Khrushchev accepted the invitation on May 4. The meeting was to occur in Vienna late that spring.

So even Kennedy knew the dangers of meetings without preconditions, yet once in office he backslid and embraced the Obama position.  I wonder how that worked out?

By all accounts, including Kennedy’s own, the meetings were a disaster. Khrushchev berated, belittled, and bullied Kennedy on subjects ranging from Communist ideology to the balance of power between the Soviet and Western blocs, to Laos, to “wars of national liberation,” to nuclear testing. He threw down the gauntlet on Berlin in particular, all but threatening war.


Kennedy was reeling from his meetings with Khrushchev, famously describing the meetings as the “roughest thing in my life.” Reston reported that Kennedy said just enough for Reston to conclude that Khrushchev “had studied the events of the Bay of Pigs” and that he had “decided that he was dealing with an inexperienced young leader who could be intimidated and blackmailed.” Kennedy said to Reston that Khrushchev had “just beat [the] hell out of me” and that he had presented Kennedy with a terrible problem: “If he thinks I’m inexperienced and have no guts, until we remove those ideas we won’t get anywhere with him. So we have to act.”

Hmm that’s not good the American President being humiliated by a foreign leader.  But hey its good to talk right? It may have been embarrassing but really no harm can come from just talking right?


On July 25 he gave a televised speech to the American people reflecting on the Vienna meeting. In the speech he announced that he was seeking congressional approval for an additional $3.25 billion in defense spending, the doubling and tripling of draft calls, calling up reserves, raising the Army’s total authorized strength, increasing active duty numbers in the Navy and Air Force, reconditioning planes and ships in mothballs, and a civil defense program to minimize the number of Americans that would be killed in a nuclear attack. In August, Khrushchev responded in his own fashion, erecting the Berlin wall and resuming above ground nuclear testing. Kennedy showed his commitment to maintain Western access to Berlin by sending a battle group of 1,500 men together with Vice President Johnson and General Lucius Clay in from West Germany.


The following year brought the Cuban missile crisis, another sequel to Khrushchev’s reading of Kennedy’s weakness. Close as the Cuban missile crisis brought the two sides to war, however, it was perhaps not the most consequential effect of Khrushchev’s reading of Kennedy’s weakness. Persuaded that he needed further to demonstrate “fearlessness and backbone,” in the words of William Manchester, Kennedy observed to Reston that the only place where the Communists were challenging the West in a shooting war was in Southeast Asia. Summarizing Kennedy’s own evaluation of the aftermath of the Vienna conference in his 2003 biography of Kennedy, Robert Dallek writes that Kennedy “now needed to convince Khrushchev that he could not be pushed around, and the best place currently to make U.S. power credible seemed to be in Vietnam.”

So as a result of Kennedy needing to prove his mettle, show our enemies that he is tough and not one who can be pushed around, we got massive (for the time) increases in military spending, a sweeping expansion of the draft and a new mobilization not seen since the Korean war.  Keep in mind Kennedy assumed office after Einsenhower, a man everyone knew was tough and certainly a man not shy about building up and using the military when needed.  Yet Ike didnt need these all additional forces in order to contain the Soviets.  No the depth of his experience and unquestionable toughness was sufficent to hold the Soviets in check, so much so he could even warn of the dangers of increased military spending when he left office.  Yet Kennedy because of his inexperience and the dangerous perception it created was forced to almost immedietly discard the old War horse’s advice and begin a massive increase the Military Industrial complex.

Internationally Kennedys inexperience and weakness brought us not only to the brink of destruction in the Cuban Missile crisis (which btw he did not “win” as the MSM would have you believe, it ended in a strategic victory for the Soviet Union because the US was forced to agree to remove its long deployed nuclear weapons from Turkey and not seeking to overthrow Castro in exchange for the Soviet’s not deploying nukes to Cuba) but also led Kennedy into Vietnam, a conflict which Ike had long resisted involving the US in, even rebuffing personal appeals from Charles DeGaulle to intervene to save trapped French forces at Dein Bein Phu.

This is important to understand and bears repeating, at home Kennedy’s inexperience and perception of weakness led to a massive increase in the resources devoted to war making  and abroad our enemies were able to take advantage of his weakness to improve their strategic postion.  Kennedys recognition of what his inexperience was costing the country led him to “toughing up” seeking unnecessary confrontation with the enemy in order to prove he was tough and could stand up to them.  So yes, Vietnam was in essence a result of Kennedy needing to overcome his image as inexperienced and weak.   Hundreds of billions of dollars and more than 50,000 American lives were just part of the price of the American People paid for being seduced by Kennedy being good looking and eloquent, rather than going with the unattractive, unpleasant, angry yet experienced, tough and reliable Nixon.

George Santayana said “Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it”, we shall see how much the American People remember of our recent past.



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